Medical Mimics in Counseling

Camille McDaniel (00:02.022)
Welcome back to another episode of Christ in Private Practice. I feel like I said that very loudly. So today we’re going to be talking about something that…

Camille McDaniel (00:20.354)
Welcome back to another episode of Christ in private practice. It’s so wonderful to be able to speak to you again and welcome welcome if you happen to be new here to the podcast and Welcome back for everyone who has been here So we are going to be talking today about something that we kind of we face as Christian business owners

And that is, should I actually pull back or should I show up when things become uncertain all around me? You know, when we are in uncertain times and there’s just a lot of fluctuation going on in society and with the people we’re seeing in our practices and maybe even in our own world.

We can find ourselves just trying to kind of stabilize ourselves. We don’t know, is this the right time to be talking more about my practice? Is this the right time to just kind of be still and let the Lord work things out? What do I need to be doing? Should I show up or should I just hold tight? And while obviously you’re always going to be in prayer to know what steps the Lord wants you to take, but this really is about

not looking at what’s going on all around you in society, in the economy, in your counseling practice, whether the phones are ringing off the hook or whether they’re not ringing at all. You don’t want to use those outside factors to determine whether or not you should actually show up. And if you have felt kind of lately, maybe that

You’re not really sure what to do. You don’t know really where to go, to turn to, what’s your next step. Maybe your clients are kind of slowing down in numbers. Maybe the phone isn’t ringing as much as you would like for it to, or you’re not getting as many emails requesting appointments as you want, or you’re noticing that maybe when you post online, some of your information is not getting traction.

Camille McDaniel (02:35.158)
I just want to remind you today that this might be the most important time for you to stay visible, keep moving forward one step at a time. And we’re going to be talking a little bit about that today, or a lot, it’s the whole episode. But we’re going to be talking about faith over fear in marketing. So showing up.

when maybe others retreat. Or I could probably even add like when others retreat or are immobilized. And that again can be immobilized by the chaos in society, by the chaos in the economy of our finances, or it could be all kinds of things that are happening in our practice with different trends because at different times of the year, we may be busier than others.

But no matter what is going on in the world outside, we want to make sure that we have faith over fear when it comes to marketing. imagine this, because when we talk about marketing immediately, we have a lot of different views on how that makes us feel.

and what that makes us automatically think about when we say the term marketing. But what we know, marketing and advertising is just kind of shining your light. It’s not kind of, it is shining your light. Whether you shine it bright or whether it’s a really dim light, it’s still putting something out there for others. And that sometimes is really hard and uncomfortable. We’re really comfortable with our gifts.

and how we operate in counseling sessions, but the part of actually getting people to the counseling sessions may be a little bit more difficult. And so let’s kind of try to reframe this so that it really is more realistic versus just our own interpretation.

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which oftentimes in our interpretation, it kind of goes through also our own fears, insecurities, questions, worries, all of that. Imagine this. Okay, so imagine back when it was 2020 and the world was doing all the things, Shutdowns, tons of illness, therapists everywhere, they’re trying to figure out

what to do with their clients, with their practices, how to stay afloat, how to serve the people, like, all the things all at once, everything’s on fire and not sure what to do. They’re trying to figure out how am I going to take what was an in-person private practice and now move it to an electronic platform for telehealth, whether you were using Zoom or whether you were using some platform that came with your electronic health record or something else.

You’re trying to get all of this done quickly. Many people were in a panic and, you know, people were looking at their schedules and thinking, oh my goodness, Lord, how am I going to keep this business that you gave me afloat? What should I do? How should I do it? And then, you know what?

For many of us, if we were able to kind of get still, really listen to what the father was saying to us, not looking at what’s going on outside of us, because when you peek outside your window, everything was going wrong. Everything was going wrong. And it was getting worse and worse as the weeks progressed. And then the weeks turned into months and the months turned into years. It was a lot.

But guess what? For many, nothing changed about the Lord’s message. Serve, continue to serve my people, continue to serve my people. And I know that some of us were like, okay, but how? How am I supposed to do this? Because I don’t really know how to.

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you know, do telehealth, I don’t really know how we’re gonna get everything changed over, my goodness, like what do I need to notify my clients, or what if somebody can’t do telehealth, what do I, you know, there was, there were all the what ifs, what ifs, what ifs, and he just was like, serve, just serve, yep, you’re gonna keep on doing what I gifted you to do. And so, you know, what did we start doing? We started getting comfortable with the shift.

We started putting a few more things online, maybe. Some of us in those years started podcasts and started blogs and started social media and started actually getting comfortable with a newsletter for our clients. There were just a lot of changes, a lot of transition. And you showed up and you made it work. And in those small moments,

it kind of started turning into a way to innovate your practice. Now, some people went back after everything opened back up, they went back to the original model. But for some people, this allowed your business in the midst of all the chaos to reach a wider audience, to support even more people because you actually stepped outside of the box.

and the world transitioned in a way where people were able to receive it because everything had changed and now they were open to this new concept of meeting online, whereas that wasn’t the norm. So out of all of the chaos and all of the pain and all of the worry and the fear and the unknowns was born innovation.

and a bigger way for you to reach more of God’s people. Whether you happen to be in a state where it’s like you’re all the way up north and you’re now seeing a client that’s all the way south of you and you can still do good work and people can still find the support.

Camille McDaniel (09:17.268)
That’s what faith over fear marketing really is. It’s not necessarily flashy. It’s just being able to be faithful no matter the season of life. Being able to be faithful and willing to make changes and pivots so that you can continue to serve the way the Lord told you. It’s essentially, and I really, I really, really like this imagery. It is being a lighthouse.

in the middle of a storm. So when you hear marketing and advertising, I don’t want you to think sales anymore. I don’t want you to think begging people to try to come to your practice. And I don’t want you to think of that anymore. When you think, how am I going to market? I want you to think of how you are going to be a lighthouse in the midst of a storm.

And remember, the lighthouse is a way for those individuals who are steering their boats, right? For all of those individuals who are on the sea, whether the sea is calm, whether it’s rocky and the waves are 12 feet high, and whether it’s foggy or whether it’s rainy and lightning’s flashing and they don’t know exactly where the shore is.

They don’t know exactly how to ground themselves and find steady footing for all of the chaos that’s going on on the open sea. But the lighthouse is a beacon that shines its light to let all of those steering their ships and their boats that here is solid ground come this way. And the way that the light gets brighter,

lets you know I’m almost there. I’m almost on steady footing. I’m almost on solid ground, right? So you want to look at yourself as the lighthouse for whatever challenge, whatever issue that you help people to work through and to heal from. Because when we say marketing, most

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clinicians really kind of have an ick about it. Like most of them kind of cringe about a little bit, just a little bit. It’s like, gosh, you think marketing is all this flashy, put yourself out there, center of attention, or like we said, know, baking people to come to you and, and, and hopefully they’ll see that they need healing in your practice. And marketing is none of that. Marketing is none of that if you are a lighthouse.

The lighthouse doesn’t have to do a song and dance in order for the ships and the boats to decide that they want to follow it. The lighthouse has what those ships need when it’s dark, when you can’t even see your hand in front of your face. It’s so dark.

When it’s chaotic and the sea is tumultuous and the fog is heavy and you just don’t know exactly where to go, but you know that if you keep going forward in this particular direction, you’re going to hit the land. You know you’re going to get on solid land. You just don’t know exactly how close to land you are or where exactly you need to steer your boat. But the lighthouse doesn’t have to do a song and dance to convince you. All it has to do is be the light.

shine the light and you seeing that light, you’re like, that’s it. That’s what I need. As in your clients, your potential clients, they see the light that you are putting out and they say, I need that. I need that. And they follow. And it’s going to look a little, a little different. We’re going to talk about some ways that you can actually do this without feeling overwhelmed. And

and do this in strength. Because marketing yourself and being a lighthouse, it’s about ministry. It’s about being visible. The most beautiful lighthouse without shining its light cannot be seen by the people who need it. The boats are out there on the sea. They’re coming in from the fog or the darkness or some condition where

Camille McDaniel (13:56.662)
They need the light because they cannot fully see where the shore is. They can’t see where solid ground is. And if the lighthouse does not shine its light, then nobody finds the solid ground until they crash into the shore or crash into a rock, but crash nonetheless. So how will you help people?

know that you are a safe place to heal, that you are a lighthouse when they are traveling through the fog or through the darkness, and they just can’t see their way through it all the way, right? I know I’ve said this so many times on this podcast. You all will be like, okay, Camille, we know the scripture already, right?

But Jesus did say, let your light shine so as before men that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven. And that’s the book of Matthew chapter five, verse 16. And so the verse isn’t about being boastful and salesy. It is being available. You have to be available. Your work is a reflection.

of his work in you. So from here on out, let’s just agree that instead of us saying like, know, I don’t really, I don’t feel comfortable promoting myself. I don’t, I don’t want to sound salesy. I don’t want to have to try to, you know, beg anybody to come and see me. I don’t, I’m not into that, right? Try saying instead.

I want to make it easy for the people of God who are assigned to me to be able to find me. I want to make it easy for the people that God has for me to work with to be able to know I’m a safe place. I am a place where they can heal from and fill in the blank with whatever your specializations are. Say that to yourself.

Camille McDaniel (16:16.492)
because that is much more accurate, much more accurate, and gets to the heart of the type of healing and the mission based on the gifts and the talents you’ve been given. I hope that’s hitting for you all. I hope you’re tracking with me here because we have kind of had an idea of marketing that just is, ugh, that’s not at all what this is about, all right?

So in this moment, while a lot of professionals may be finding themselves in a lot of chaos and turmoil, no matter what is going on, whether it be because of what’s going on in our economy and society at large and politics and all the things, how can we be grounded and steady?

knowing that we don’t have to have all of the answers because the Father meets us wherever we are. That is for sure. He will meet us with timely information that we need in order to fulfill the purpose that he has set out for us in helping his broken children.

And so while everyone out around you might be seeming a little scattered and overwhelmed and they might be taking breaks and retreating for a while, which there’s nothing wrong with a break, but I’m talking about they’re literally just going silent for a long time. They’re immobilized by everything that’s going on. They’re kind of waiting for it to get better. They’re like, you know what, call me when outside is a lot sunnier. But that’s not what we are being called to do.

We’re not being called to just stay comfortable until things get better. Instead, we are called to go into the fog, go into the darkness covered by Him, the Lord Jesus Christ, covered by His protection, His love, His wisdom, to the hurting, into the chaos, into the darkness in order to help people come out.

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going into, you know, to get people, joining with them, helping them heal so everyone comes out whole. You are planting hope. You are. You are planting hope in uncertainty. You are the lighthouse that is helping people heal from abuse, helping people heal from major traumas, big T, little T traumas, all the traumas, helping people to find certainty in worry and anxiety, helping people have

Support helping people to navigate and come out of depression Navigate and come into healthier relationships The work you are doing Sit in that for a minute like have you ever just sat and thought about the gift and talent the gifts and talents the Lord is giving you and how you are literally changing generations

It is literally overwhelming sometimes to even think about how your service to your clients can help not just the people in front of you, but generations to come. So absolutely you want to be out there sharing how people can contain or continue, excuse me, we don’t want to contain anything, how people can continue to get the hope and the healing.

that they really need. And so let’s talk about some strategies, some things that you can actually put in place this week. These are gonna be about four, we’re gonna talk about four strategies. Let’s make it really practical, okay? And if you happen to be writing this down, then like I said, I’m gonna talk about four marketing strategies that can be used like immediately. And…

if you happen to be listening and you can’t, don’t worry, just rewind to about this part and what are we like 20 minutes in? Just rewind so that you can get this particular set of tools in order to move forward and start doing something transformative this week. So the first thing is we’re going to take one item that we have created, a blog post.

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and or a podcast, take one thing that you created and you’re going to then turn that into a message. So most therapists, I mean, a lot of people, you know, in general, but many therapists burn out when they’re trying to just kind of reinvent content. Like how in the world am I going to keep on making all this content, you know? And you don’t have to worry about continuing to

always create something new. Sometimes you can take something that you have already created that is really strong and needed by whoever you serve, whoever your audience is, or whoever you’re wanting to reach. You’re gonna take that and you’re going to then, you know, actually create something from it.

So take that message and multiply it. So say that your message happens to have been you created a blog post or you had a podcast episode or if you haven’t created anything but you have an idea, because I don’t want to leave anyone out who’s like, well, I haven’t started. That’s all right. Come up with one idea and you’re going to turn that idea into multiple avenues of reaching people. So if you had, for example, a blog post and let’s say it was

talking about like you don’t have to carry everything alone. And you can say no, and no can be very healthy and very healing. That one thought can then become maybe a short video where you speak directly into the camera to those who again need what you have to offer. They’re looking for a way to get grounded, to get healing.

and you then take that one message about them not having to carry everything alone and that saying no can be very healing and very healthy. And you’re going to then maybe create a short snippet video where you talk maybe even 10 minutes about the concept around not carrying everything alone and no being healing and being healthy. Or you can take something from that blog post and maybe like a really important point that you made.

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Take that important point and you’re going to make that a quote And then you’re gonna share that quote Somewhere else like on one of your social media platforms or you’re gonna share it in an email So now you have a video that you can create maybe ten minutes. Maybe less maybe more Now you have a post, you know

that you can actually put on social media, a quote. You can also then create an email around it. Just a gentle reminder for today is what you can call it. Have an email go out to your clients as a gentle reminder of this important point in that post. And you can also turn it into, if you wrote a blog, you can turn it into a podcast mention. Or as you are doing a podcast,

on a different topic, but that also aligns with this post that you created before and you take a quote out of that blog post and mention it in your podcast episode. If you had created a podcast episode, then you can take something that you had mentioned in that podcast episode and put it into the blog post. So no matter what you did with you did one, you can do the other, but

you can then create. You don’t have to start anything new. So if you don’t already have a podcast, you don’t have to start a podcast, but instead, if you are blogging, then you can create the quote, you can create the email for the clients. You can then repurpose the message, all right? So it’s the same message. It’s just now breaking it down and delivering it into different formats. If you happen to be on LinkedIn,

You can then create it more for professionals, how to turn that into something professionals can use in the workplace or the corporate environment. Why are you doing this? I’m gonna tell you why. Because in addition to being a lighthouse, repetition builds trust. Repetition builds trust. So it’s not that you’re gonna be able to put something out there just one time.

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And then everyone is like, my goodness, this therapist said this and it has to be good. This person has to be great. No, just like you with anything you decide to purchase or decide to join or anyone you decide to go see for your needs, medical, mental health, spiritual, you test it out. You want to kind of see what they’re talking about first.

You want to see how it hits you resonates with you. You want to see how you know you’re you’re feeling about that. Is your spirit aligning? You know, is the Lord feel giving you the green light?

So you kind of check it out. Even when you hear something from someone that you really resonate, it resonates with you. Oftentimes you want to see, what else do they say? Well, what else do they write? Well, what else do they have available? So that you can again see how you are actually resonating with that person. So repetition builds trust and you want to be able to then put these things out there multiple times. It works. It absolutely works.

Many individuals can tell you repetition works. Many people can say, I’ve done it. So we don’t have to worry about reinventing the wheel on this one. It’s already been done and it works. So if God has given you a message for this season for his people, then share it. Share it in multiple ways. Share it over time.

Don’t assume that people already read it or they already heard it and they don’t probably want to hear it again. Not everyone heard it. Nope, not everyone saw it and yep, you can say it again and you can also kind of add on to it as you’re saying it again. Number two, here’s the next one. Share micro testimonies. Now, we know we have to keep client confidentiality.

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That’s a must, so we’re not going to be sharing any details because we obviously cannot have information going out about other people’s private health information, which is sacred. And we definitely do not want to be too specific because then people might be able to identify themselves or clients, or excuse me, or other people might be able to identify your client. So it’s going to be more like this. I’ll give an example, but.

under micro testimony, you can say something like, I’ve worked with or this past week, in this past week, I’ve been working with a lot of people that have been giving me feedback. And recently I got feedback from someone that said they are learning to pause and pause before they react. And they’ve been talking to me about how pausing before they react has changed.

everything in their marital communication. And it just reminds me of why I love the work that I do in order to help people and fill in the blank, restore their commitment in marriage or gain clarity and stronger connection with the people that they love through healthy communication styles.

Again, you can kind of just share feedback without sharing like who the person was and this client I worked with, he said, or you don’t have to get that specific. You can just say, I’ve been working with a lot of people this week, surrounding communication styles to create healthier marriages and healthier relationships in their family. And I had some feedback from someone and then, you know, go on with the example I just gave.

And then obviously stylize it to what your specialization is. What kind of feedback have you gotten from people in the work that you’ve been doing? And then you can again give kind of this overall general feedback that people have given you and share that. It again, it’s just kind of, it’s just kind of helping other people to understand that there is a way that you happen to be working through.

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certain challenges with individuals that come see you and you’re getting feedback that it’s producing positive results. So you don’t have to give names or details or anything, but this is just a glimpse of what hope can come or giving hope and what resolution can look like when you are working with people. And then what you do with that after you’re sharing,

Same thing as with the first thing that I mentioned about like repurposing some of your content. You invite people back if they want more, if they want to be able to also find healing in their marriage and in their relationships and they would like to explore more healthy boundaries and techniques for communication, then invite them to call you or to email you for an appointment.

so that we can start to work on getting the healing that can come when we, again, I’m being very purposeful in my wording because we can’t guarantee results, that’s unethical, but we can say like the healing that is possible when we change our communication styles, when we have healthier boundaries, you know, and then make available how people can reach you.

We always want to make sure that we invite people to reach us. That’s called a call to action. And call to actions have already been well researched in the field of advertising and marketing in order to help people to feel welcome and OK in reaching out to you and starting their journey. So we don’t want to feel like we don’t have to do it. We shouldn’t do that. No, no, no. Invite people. People like an invitation. OK?

It makes people feel more comfortable. And again, this is about how people feel safe. Do people feel safe? Do people feel like you know what you’re talking about? Do people feel like then you are the person who would be open to them contacting you and wouldn’t judge and all of that. You’re creating all of that while you are bringing forth information and your call to action. So these are just kind of little testimonies to show your audience that healing is happening.

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in the work that you are doing in this season with people who are coming to you. The next thing that I’m going to suggest is to reengage with old clients or clients who are inactive, who might be on your email list, which is if you don’t have one, let’s start putting that in place, okay? Because you probably have a lot of people who…

need to actually go back into counseling. I know I’ve shared this on a couple of episodes. Every time we send a newsletter out, people contact our office. Every single time. The last time I sent out a newsletter, somebody wrote in, they had so much enthusiasm. They were like, I don’t know how I lost the information, but I absolutely need an appointment.

Look forward to seeing you like there was so much energy in The in the email message that came back from that newsletter. It was really sweet But the idea is people then you know Realize gosh, it’s been it’s been a long time or I’ve been meaning to contact the office or I really need an appointment and just hadn’t checked in and all these different things because life gets busy life is chaotic we know what outside looks like at this point in time

and people really have been just overwhelmed with a lot. So sometimes connecting to like their overwhelm and them deciding to put themselves first, not always what they’re thinking. So sometimes for some individuals really does help if you just simply send a note, send an email out and you know, even if it’s an email saying, know, I hope everyone is doing well. And again,

you know, sending maybe a quote from something that you have already written and making that a part of a message to encourage them and just, you know, let them also know that you have a few openings this month for anyone who has been putting themselves on the back burner and really needs the support. So let them know that you have availability. Encourage them to contact you. No pressure. There’s like no pressure in that. All you’re doing is just connecting, sending out

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message of hope and also letting them know that you’re available if they actually need ongoing support. You know people have had success doing it. Go ahead and try. So it’s ethical, you know, and it allows us to be not only ethical as professional. It’s great quality of care actually to kind of just check in every now and again.

making sure people don’t fall through the cracks. Yeah. And then the next thing, this is the fourth thing that you can do, is to plant seeds through like a post that offers to support people. And so sometimes, you know, we have information that kind of like can be repurposed, like we talked about earlier, into like just a snippet or a quote or anything like that. But

You know, one of the things that you can do also are like purposely have posts that are helping, that are literally serving your target clients in the post. So it might be something like if you happen to, let’s say, work with people who are really anxious. So then you can create a post that says, you know, lately I’ve been helping clients deal with anxiety around finances. And here are three guiding principles.

that have been very helpful in the work I’m doing with them. And then list those principles and go into whatever amount of detail that you feel is gonna be necessary for your specialization and the audience who is going to be reading this. And then again, that call to action. then say in that call to action if you’d like to talk through your stress around finances one-on-one.

I have openings this week and the upcoming week for you. There you go. So now you’ve offered value first, okay, and then an invitation to join. And this is like planting seeds again, planting seeds through a post that’s serving, okay. So another way.

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to be the lighthouse, another way to help people to see where they can get grounding. So these four strategies, this is about repurposing, testifying to good results, reconnecting with individuals that may not have been in your practice in a while, and serving through posts that give information. It’s simple, it’s biblical, it’s powerful.

If you do even one of these this week, you are marketing faith over fear. You are stepping on out on faith, doing what you have been commissioned to do as a mental health professional who has the light of Christ within you. And you are canceling out all of that fear. You might be doing it and still a little nervous and that’s all right. But as you continue to do it, your confidence will build because you realize

I’m not having to beg anybody to do anything. I have great, great information within me. I have been doing this, whether you’ve been doing this for many, many years, many decades, whether you just got on the scene, there is a way that you can help those who are seeking the help and the support. you know, again, kind of bringing this back around.

to faith, we oftentimes might say like, know, Lord, send clients, Lord, fill up this practice, you know. But he already did. And you just have to show up. You just have to show up. You have to be the light that everyone can see so they know to come into the shore where you are standing, where you have been posted.

So there is nothing that you have to worry about. You just have to show up. So sometimes that showing up is going to be hitting send on an email. Sometimes it’s going to be posting that blog post or creating that podcast episode. But show up sometimes is going to be in a presentation that you give.

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or a workshop that you offer or a book that you write. But show up. Keep showing up. One thing that I know for sure is that fear definitely says hide. Fear says you can’t do it. my goodness, this is going to be so, so cringe. This is going to be horrible. know, fear says all the things that make you want to.

shrink back. But faith says serve. Faith says show up. Faith says keep pushing. Don’t be deterred because there are people who are on the other side who absolutely need what you have to offer. And when you keep showing up, not out of anxiety at all, but literally you’re showing up out of obedience.

The God can take what you put out there and multiply it. It’s so wild how you start doing something just just being obedient and before you know it you are presenting you are teaching you have invitations to connect with people and somebody heard your podcast or somebody saw your blog post or somebody, you know connected with

connected somebody to you from your email news blast that you put out or you know it’s just really it’s really awesome how far the Lord can take us when we just show up. Sometimes we overthink it and we just are wondering how it’s all gonna exactly work out and it’s like yeah just show up. He’ll lead you and tell you where you need to go for all the rest.

So I want for you to kind of like, you know, go ahead and take one of those four strategies and put those into use no matter what you’re already doing to kind of maximize your content and help you not really burn out so much with developing ways that you can serve others and help them find you and find the healing that they need. so if you happen to do any of those and

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And it works out great in, you know, just kind of works out whether it’s just for yourself being like, I did not even know I had it in me to do this or whether you have some results that have come pretty quickly or come over time. Share that. Yeah. Send me a, send me a note, drop me a message and let me know how it’s going for you. I’m over there at hello at.

ChristinPrivatePractice.com. That’s hello at ChristinPrivatePractice.com. Yeah, I’d love to hear how it’s going for you. feel free to send me that note. And before we close our time for today, I just want to thank the Lord for all of you listening. I pray that the Lord just places his hands on every single person.

who is listening now or will listen in the future. I pray that he continues to speak boldness into you, that he continues to give you all the directions that you need, that you would be able to receive it fully and without fear, that you would be bold in how you walk and shine your light, how you walk for Christ. I pray that you have all the support.

that you need and that you are filled with courage as you move forward in uncertain times. I just pray over your practices that are being built, that are built already, and the vision and the mission that the Father has placed within you. I’m so thankful for you all showing up and listening. I’m so excited because I know that

There are so many gifts and talents that you all have out there that you are using in this world that needs it. I’m so thankful for all of you. And I’m so thankful for this platform to speak to you. And I pray that you have a wonderful week and months to come. And until we meet again, if this episode has been encouraging or helpful,

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you in any kind of way. I’m going to ask that you share this episode with another Christian counselor who may have been feeling a bit unsure about showing up. But they would like to build some some ways they’d like to reframe the way they think about marketing and advertising. Maybe it feels a little salesy to them. But but when you think about them being a lighthouse, you know that that’s just a much

healthier, better, accurate reframe of what we are doing for the kingdom. Send it to them and let them see what Christ in Private Practice is doing. So send them over to christinprivatepractice.com. And in the meantime, keep shining your light and we will talk to each other again. Until next time, God bless.