Developing a Kingdom Mindset When Building a Private Practice

Camille McDaniel, LPC (00:01.366)
Hello everyone, we are back for another episode of Christ in Private Practice. I am your host, Camille McDaniel.

licensed professional counselor and today we are going to take some time and we’re going to be talking with Kamisha Brewer. She is going to be talking to us about developing a kingdom mindset when we are building a private practice. I am going to ask Kamisha to introduce herself because she actually has some really great things, some new things. She has done a lot of great work with other clinicians

the mental health field, helping them to build their vision, build their practices, find success. And so I want to say thank you, Cameisha, for taking time out of what I know is a very busy schedule, but I thank you very much for spending this time with us. Yes, please, please tell us all that you have going on, because I know there’s some new things going on. So yes, please.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (01:06.24)
Yeah, so thank you so much for having me. So I’m an LPC like you. I practice in the state of Arkansas. And so I have two separate companies, which is new, but it’s just…

to expansion and all the cool things that we’re doing. So I have a company called C. Brewer Consulting and Marketing where we teach therapists how to set up structure, marketing and scale. There’s solo mental health, private practice in just 60 days. And so with that company, it comes with the CEO clinician podcast. wrote a book called the CEO clinician. have courses called private practice ready. We’ve got memberships for therapists who are ready to scale VIP days. So all the things under that umbrella, but I still practice. so my private practice is called Brewer therapy.

and associates and we’re growing, moving into new office space. Like it’s a whole thing. So it’s really exciting, but there are a lot of moving parts to the business and I’m excited to just talk about what that experience has been like for me and hopefully it inspires your audience.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (02:02.494)
Yes, and I know it’ll educate because as she shared everything that she is doing, you know that there have to be systems in place for that. We’ll talk about that toward the end because there are a lot of good things that Cameisha has to offer and we’ll make sure we will not let her go before we find ways to contact her and get in touch with all of that help that she is definitely offering. So I’ll jump right into Cameisha and ask you, as far as just your whole journey into

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (02:12.45)
Yeah.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (02:32.35)
mental health and business consulting. How did that all come about and also more importantly, how has your faith played a role in that whole journey?

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (02:43.138)
Yeah, so I’m a pastor’s kid. So I grew up in the church. My mother, she was an educator. And so all I know is ministry and community engagement and education. And so my sisters is they’re in education. They married pastors. And so it’s just always been like a full family operation as far as serving people. And of course, faith is in the center of that always because we’re at church, but we’re at home and we bring church home and like we should like everything was very much so integrated

and so that was the start for me. That was my foundation. My parents, were also speakers and entrepreneurs and they had businesses and we had a family business. And so I was the youngest of five. So I was just there for all of it, all the meetings. I watched them do pastoral counseling at our home at the kitchen table. And so I got a chance to see what counseling looks like. They never called it pastoral counseling, but of course, once I got to grad school, I’m like, so that’s what this is. Like there’s a term for it.

a really cool experience just to see that that was my foundation. I think I know God

that set up for me from the very beginning is for the plan and the foundation for me. And so that’s how I got my start into business and marketing and consulting. I started my first business at 19. It was a faith based nonprofit organization. It was a mentoring program for teenage girls. So we always partnered with churches. So I was a CEO immediately at 19. And so we partnered with churches and schools and local businesses for sponsorships. so whenever I decided like, I want to be a therapist, I want to have a private

practice, I noticed that the other therapists, their businesses were not successful, but it was because they didn’t understand business. They understood the clinical parts of it, which is good, but if you can’t run the business and you can’t market, you’re not going to have people to serve. So I wanted to merge what I knew about ministry and people and the clinical practice of counseling and mental health. I wanted to merge that with business and marketing. And that’s how my consulting business was born.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (04:47.892)
is awesome. It sounds like you were immersed in it. Like you said, that everyone was doing something like you said, you’re one of five, your parents were doing things already, your parents had multiple businesses, you’re soaking up, I’m sure all kinds of conversation and mindset. So in some ways, I’m sure it had to have some trickle down effect before you even knew that you were actually being kind of like, you know, this was being imprinted on. So that’s awesome to hear. One of the so one of the things that

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (04:59.736)
Yes.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (05:11.512)
Yeah.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (05:17.768)
a few people actually mentioned in the Christ in Private Practice Facebook group was that like when you talk about businesses and mindset is the next question, know, having a kingdom mindset, which it sounds like in your family, it was just a part of everyday routine, right? For those of us who maybe it wasn’t so much a part of their foundation and

part of their day -to -day lives. What does it mean to actually have a kingdom mindset when we are building business, especially when we talk about there’s ways of doing things secularly, there’s ways of doing things that align with our faith in Christ, and what does that even look like when you’re trying to build a private practice?

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (06:03.864)
Yeah, I love this question. So I think having a kingdom mindset means seeing what you’re doing through the eyes of God, like the way he sees it and not so much this is what I want. This is my ambition. This is me. This is me. But even when it comes to clients and customers, not seeing them as dollar signs, seeing them as like, OK, these are God’s people. This is God’s daughter. This is his son. These are his children. How can I support the work that he’s doing in their lives? How can I be a part of

that mission because I think that’s what it is in our field especially. But God is entrusting people to us through the gifts he’s given us. And I think it’s important that we steward people well. And I think the kingdom mindset is very much so a part of stewardship and not just the financial part, but just the way we take care of people, the way we serve, the way we talk to them, especially when the conversations are difficult and they become difficult when you have to terminate a client, when it’s not a good fit or when they have an outstanding bill and they just won’t pay

not they can’t pay, but they’re just refusing because they’re not, they’re just not financially disciplined enough to value paying bills and making sure that the provider who’s caring for them is able to also pay their bills. Like some people, they’re just not wired like that. So the way we handle people, think that’s very much so a part of what the kingdom mindset is. And just remembering that these are God’s people. It’s not a customer. It’s not a client. Like they belong to him just like we do. And he takes care of everybody. But I think when we try to take care of each other and

what’s right from a place of integrity. think that’s what the Kingdom Mindset boils down to.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (07:38.688)
Thank you so much and I’m so glad like you started off where it’s not just about well I have these goals and I want to do this and I it’s like wait a minute let’s stop let’s hear from the Lord that was one thing so first of all yes let’s hear from the Father because he has a plan that he has for you to help his children and the next thing that really like kind of popped out at me that you were talking about you didn’t say the word but I heard boundaries when you were saying you know maybe sometimes we might have to terminate a

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (07:49.39)
Mm -hmm.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (08:05.709)
Yes.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (08:09.295)
because maybe it’s not a right fit or maybe something else has come up maybe somebody has a bill they haven’t paid right so so kingdom mindset which I think and I want to I’m glad so glad that you mentioned this because I want to just point out that you know following Christ and and having a kingdom mindset then in your business doesn’t mean that you have no boundaries you know it doesn’t mean that well if they can’t pay well then I’ll just pay whatever for everybody right because we can’t keep our doors open that way but it is still like you use

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (08:34.904)
Mm -hmm.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (08:38.46)
word integrity. It’s like doing things but in integrity. No matter what we have to do in business, know, do it in a way that is going to reflect well of who you are and who you follow. Yeah.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (08:43.705)
Yes.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (08:50.68)
Mm -hmm.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (08:51.712)
Thank you. Yeah, that’s awesome. Okay, so then let’s keep diving on it. As we’re continuing to kind of look at, okay, following the path of Kingdom mindset and building business, are there any biblical principles or any passages that guide you as you’re developing this Kingdom mindset? Because you have a lot of things you have developed. There are many of us who would like

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (08:57.304)
Hehehehe

Camille McDaniel, LPC (09:21.688)
to where you are and some people who are just saying like you know I’m in just the beginning step so how do I guide myself as I am moving forward?

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (09:31.406)
Yeah, I think principles and passages for me are all of the scriptures’ Beatitudes, right? Definitely the Beatitudes, but for sure all the scriptures about taking care of the poor and the widows.

and the orphans and the less fortunate and just remembering that we’re all one unfortunate circumstance away from being those people. And again, grace and compassion and integrity, but just being mindful of the people who need us most, the people like our most vulnerable populations and thinking about our marginalized groups and what that looks like for them, access to health care. that doesn’t mean, like you said, that doesn’t mean we see everybody and make nothing to the point where we’re exhausted and

take care of our families because that’s what our community mental health model looks like and I think there’s a need for private practice because of that where we have flexibility to still meet the needs for people who don’t have resources but still meet the other needs as well for the people who do and so those guiding passages for me are okay how can I use what I have the resources I have to be a blessing to other people but still be mindful of those who

me and mindful of those that have a need but it’s not for me to meet and that took me some time. It really took me some time.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (10:50.164)
Yes, that’s circle. Yes.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (10:53.474)
because I felt like every need was my problem and that because I could that I should and that’s not I don’t think that’s God’s plan for us because we’re not we don’t have limitless resources. He does. We don’t have limitless energy. He does. And so some of those things I think that’s where our kingdom partnerships come into place and knowing what needs to be delegated into who. For example.

Principles one of the things I do is I work with a lot of pastors and Leadership teams of teaching them. Okay, this is pastoral you guys can do this y ‘all can handle this at the church at this point Y ‘all are not trained for this. So y ‘all don’t have to try to operate You don’t have to try to operate in something You haven’t been clinically trained to deal with and that’s where we come in as the licensed mental health professionals So a part of that principles like modeling what Jesus did all throughout the New Testament of teaching

Camille McDaniel, LPC (11:31.674)
yes. Why?

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (11:46.752)
in parables and making it plain.

and teaching and teaching like we see several of the synoptic gospels like multiple stories of him teaching these same principles. I think sometimes as mental health providers, we have to be willing to do that in different groups. One workshop may not be enough for that group. So for modeling what Jesus did, we may have to re -teach the workshop or teach it in a different way or record it and put it in a course because these concepts, there’s only one of us. And so we have to make sure we have systems in place so we can continue to serve and not exhaust ourselves either.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (11:51.894)
No.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (12:20.214)
That’s all.

man, you’re touching on all kinds of good stuff right now. Okay, let me try to contain myself, because I was gonna ask, but some things you’re already, you’re knocking it out the park, because one of the things that I know is that when people are first starting out with kind of developing a kingdom mindset in their practice and developing their private practice, I was gonna say, what steps do you feel like people should take, but I don’t wanna

answer this for you because you may have more. again, I feel like you’ve touched on things that go to having integrity, having boundaries. Even now when you’re talking and sharing the information that you’re sharing, sounds like, know, know your scope of practice. Don’t step outside of that just because you’re feeling like, okay, I’m pumped up, I’m doing what the Lord has gifted me to do, and I’m just gonna do that anywhere with anyone who comes my way.

We have to, we do have to have some discernment about that. You know, we are all strategically gifted to do certain things. Like I was just talking to the other therapist in my practice before we we went on the air. She’s phenomenal when it comes to trauma of all types. And I’ve said to her, because we joke, it’s like I’m the stabilizer, like I’ll get everybody stabilized. And then oftentimes I have referred on to her. I said, you know, I thought about it, I think I’m gonna just continue to stabilize, you know, because

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (13:49.934)
Yeah.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (13:51.403)
And she has a certain population where it’s my jam and she’s like, you know what, you could take that all day long. Right? You know, and so just knowing, you know, but maybe I’m, maybe I’m missing some things too, but you know, do you feel like there’s anything else that individuals, even if they’re not new to private practice, but maybe they’re new to the idea of running their business God’s way, you know, are there things that you feel they should do to prepare themselves? First step, second step.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (13:58.798)
Mm -hmm.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (14:20.698)
know or have we kind of mentioned it? I don’t you know don’t want to hammer it into the ground.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (14:23.844)
Yeah, think we have touched on it, but some additional points as far as like first steps and how to start. I think it’s important to pray and ask the Lord what he wants of us, but also remember that the giving that we want to do that’s above and beyond like the pro bono clients and how many pro bono clients we have. I think those things have to come from our overflow and not from a place of lack. And when we’re not profitable yet, even

you’ve been in the field for a while, everyone’s not profitable just because they’ve been in practice for 10 years. That’s a whole different episode for another day. But when you’re profitable early, you can contribute to those things. So my husband and I, we’re big tithers. We give to missions. We’re not mission material.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (14:51.916)
Okay.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (15:11.02)
like personality wise, like I’m not the person you want to send to a third world country with no water, no internet. That’s not me, okay? But I will gladly sponsor and donate and contribute to financially support the person who is. And I get to do that from the overflow in the business.

And so yes, I’m very much so a part of the mission. I’m very much so praying for the people who go in our church. They have a lot of different missionaries all over the world and we love that. And I love being able to be a part of those things. Now, if my business isn’t profitable, I have no extra resources to be able to do those things. So my profitability is not just about me. It’s not just about how much stuff I can buy off Amazon. Like that’s small level stuff. I like that. I still love Amazon. I’m waiting on prime day as we speak. However,

Camille McDaniel, LPC (15:28.852)
awesome.

Yes.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (15:57.976)
There are bigger things in the world that my resources can go to.

And you can do that at any stage. And sometimes when you’re in private practice and, you know, we’re looking at tax deductions like, I need to get my tax liability bill down. What can I do? Well, you may not be able to sponsor the ACA conference and be a ten thousand dollar sponsor. You may not be there yet, but there may be a single mom in your community where you can buy a couple of backpacks for her kids and for school supplies. And you can start there, too. And I still think that’s kingdom.

but giving out of our overflow. I think that’s something that a lot of therapists don’t do and we just give, give, give to the point where we can’t pay bills. And I don’t think that’s a good business model.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (16:40.984)
and I would have to second that because of everything that you just pointed out ahead of time. Because if we are giving to the point where we don’t have, then guess what? We’re not going to be like Kamisha and her husband, like you and your husband. We’re not going to be able to sponsor people who are going to go out to other areas that are in need to uplift and support the people. We can’t do it because we can’t afford it, right? We are not going to be able to help anybody with back to school, which that actually does come up right around the corner. And there are back

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (16:53.496)
Mm -mm.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (17:02.456)
Yes. Yep.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (17:10.798)
school drives where you have the opportunity to sponsor children and their families and allow them to be prepared and feel good about themselves when they start school because they have everything they need. But if we are not or again, this is what I’m hearing that that you’re saying if we don’t structure and organize ourselves in business properly, we will not be able to give on a big level and God does things big right? He’s not doing it just so that we can barely get by if

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (17:11.81)
Mm -hmm.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (17:35.883)
Absolutely.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (17:39.982)
Mm

Camille McDaniel, LPC (17:40.69)
You know, if all we’re doing is barely getting by, we’re not really accomplishing what the gift has set out to do because it’s supposed to be magnified and do great things in the world. Like some of the things that you’ve talked about just now. So that kind

for me that what I’m hearing, almost like I’m hearing translations as you’re talking, what I’m hearing is you have got to structure your business so that you can do the great things that the Lord has poured into you to do. And it’s not just to run a business and just take care of the bills and not be able to do anything else. That’s about it. know, God doesn’t do anything real small. everything, you know, so

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (18:01.908)
Hehehe

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (18:18.862)
Mm -hmm.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (18:24.152)
Yeah.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (18:26.862)
If you’re not at a place in your business where you are able to give back and not just you’re giving back in your counseling, but if you’re not able to give back and your business can’t support others outside of your counseling office, then maybe you need to restructure. Maybe you need to do something different. And I know that that ties into something that like Kamisha did not even ask me to do, but that is something that Kamisha does.

So I’m just like plugging it right there to say, you are at a place where you’re like, well, know, shucks, y ‘all are kind of like pulling my card here. You’re walking down my street. I really can’t do anything. I barely am paying my bills. Then please do not feel some kind of way about reaching out to get support, to get the help from people who have already done it, are doing it well, are able to have it go so well that they

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (18:58.318)
Thanks.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (19:26.65)
now giving to other in other areas of their life and to other people and families and and basically allowing the ripple effect to just keep rippling on and on and on. We’ll definitely make sure that Kamisha you give us all of all of the information but I just love how you explain that so thoroughly because there’s so many messages inside of that one message that you gave probably could be another segment or two but really and truly it’s gold. Yeah thank you

much for that.

that kind of like rolls us into talking about like balance in all that we’re doing. If we’re trying to build, we’re having a kingdom mindset, we need boundaries in business and we need structure in business and while we’re doing all of these things to build up a business and do things God’s way, can you just talk to what kind of balance we might need to have as we’re serving clients and also trying to do things

in a, with a kingdom mindset, which does require us to, you know, not be on the grind 24 -7. That’s actually not probably a kingdom.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (20:38.872)
Yeah. Yeah, so when it comes to balance, I think it can be harder for people who are Christian and who are trying to have this kingdom mindset and kingdom based lifestyle because sometimes we can get so dependent on the supernatural that we don’t do the work in the natural. And Christians, we’re bad at that. We’re bad about that. So what I mean by that is

Camille McDaniel, LPC (20:58.949)
man, you’re gonna have to say it. You’re gonna have to… Okay now, okay.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (21:08.514)
The Lord will do it, right? He will open doors for us. He will make room for us. Like he will do those things, but we still have to sit down and do the work. The Lord doesn’t get in Canva and create social media posts and captions. That’s not what he does. We have to sit down. We have to have strategy. We have to write. We have to create. We have to do the networking. We have to go to meetings. We have to get the website done. That comes with a fee. So we may have to practice self denial and not

Camille McDaniel, LPC (21:21.672)
okay.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (21:38.69)
not get nails done or go to press on nails for a couple of weeks to save the money to get the website. And so things will open up, but it’s not, we’re not absent of the work. Like we don’t get to be removed from it because we say, well, I’m just waiting on the Lord to do it. And sometimes the Lord is waiting on us to do, to do what he gave us. He gave us instructions. We did nothing. And we say, we’re still waiting on the Lord. We’re not some of that’s mindset, imposter syndrome, fear.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (21:56.758)
What?

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (22:08.76)
and we still have to do the work, even though we’re kingdom. I’ve worked with a lot of kingdom -based entrepreneurs over the years, and some of them won’t start an email list because they feel like it’s taking the Lord’s place and that he should do that. And I’m like, explain. Because clinically, I’m intrigued at this point because I want to understand how your brain works because that’s not how that happens. I think…

Camille McDaniel, LPC (22:22.441)
Wow.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (22:29.887)
Thank you.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (22:35.54)
Mmm.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (22:36.662)
Kingdom businesses suffer. We’re not as profitable across the board even just looking at the research the secular businesses They do a lot more and it’s not because they’re better. It just means they’re doing the work and I think there’s a

for Christian entrepreneurs who want to do the work, still have kingdom principles, still live like Jesus, still love like Jesus, still serve like Jesus, but we have to do the work. And I think that’s the balance too. It’s not just time management. Sometimes when mental health professionals hear conversations about balance, they want to balance work and rest when it comes to client care only. But there’s a lot, there’s a difference between working in the business and working on the business.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (23:16.064)
Okay.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (23:21.004)
and we need balance there as well.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (23:24.117)
thank you so

Thank you. Okay, you guys are hearing it. She is coming with more than just nuggets, okay? She is digging deep and she’s talking about a lot of us, so we’re gonna go ahead and say ouch, but we are also going to just lean right in and we’re going to take note of this because I find it really concerning that, like you mentioned that statistically, we’re not doing as well as, you know,

the secular businesses that are out there. And so we have to look at, we really have to take a look at what do we need to change so that if this is something we believe in and this is something that we believe we’ve been gifted to do, then how do we do it without that struggle, without barely making it? How do we do it so that we’re flourishing, right?

And we gotta get started with that. We gotta take a look at, like you said, people saying, you know, I don’t wanna take over what God is gonna do, so I’m not gonna start that. That’s God. And sometimes the Father’s already told you what you need to do, but in all honesty, maybe you are a little bit nervous to do it. Maybe it seems a little bit beyond you. Maybe it seems like, or you might be nervous about rejection or putting yourself out there.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (24:33.806)
Mm -hmm.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (24:54.058)
And that’s where it kind of goes back to something that you had talked about before with community. Like, know, just pulling together. Though oftentimes there are things that we have to do that are big, but we’re not set to do them all by ourselves. Yeah, so that’s something to think about, really, wow, that we’re not doing as well as the secular community. Interesting. Okay. So then…

Let me ask this as far as reflecting and if we are going to move into a space where it’s like we want to have our businesses flourish, want to see that growth and that success, then how can we ensure that our practices just reflect our faith in our interactions with clients, in our interactions with staff, in our interactions with the community at large? What do we need to, and I guess I should say,

like this even more so, what do we need to do so that our faith is reflected in our interactions and so that we actually are growing? I know you can’t give us everything because there are steps to this. I know that you teach those steps, you go through it’s a whole process but I guess if you could kind of give a little nugget of where do you start if you want your practice to first of all reflect your faith and how you treat others and how you treat the community and then how you grow?

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (26:06.169)
Yes.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (26:23.246)
Yeah, I think foundationally you start with prayer to get clear on the vision, get clear on the motives of your own heart, even if they’re not right. And so dealing with that to get them cleaned up so that you’re pursuing the practice with the right intentions, the right motives and not just for profitability or to be seen, but more so so that God can be glorified.

through the services you provide. So when people leave your office, if it’s a session with you or someone else on your staff, that they see Jesus and what happened and not you. So they don’t walk around like, my therapist is the best. That’s cool. Like we need testimonials too, but are their lives changed? Do they feel different? Did they encounter the presence of God because y ‘all had worship music playing in the lobby or because y ‘all pray in the lobby before y ‘all start sessions like having practical things

Camille McDaniel, LPC (27:02.688)
Mm

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (27:17.194)
place that aligns with what the original prayer was. If the prayer was, I want to practice located in this area with this type of office space where we can serve people with these problems, how do we do it? And then he’ll show you how and you take that step.

and you implement and then he’ll show you the next step after that. so modeling, I think this is a CEO conversation. So whoever the practice owner is understanding that your personal journey needs to be shared. It’s not pretty. My first years in private practice, I made $0. I was not profitable at all. And I tell therapists that. And that’s the reason I wrote the book because I don’t want them to have to go through that. But that short season of suffering.

is the foundation of a testimony for me that will help other people. So when you’re setting up the practice, I think it needs to be set up from a foundation of clarity, but being open, managing the expectations, being teachable, being open to correction. We don’t know everything. You will hire someone who’s more experienced with trauma than you or better at business than you. And it should be a collaborative process if the goal and the mission is to help God’s people.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (28:14.151)
Thank you.

Yes.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (28:24.47)
Yes.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (28:28.078)
But if you get into power struggles with your staff, it’s not going to work. They’re going to quit. They’re going to move on. And then you’ll have to find another therapist or you’re going to lose clients. And then the business loses revenue as well. So I think there’s a lot of leadership and sometimes personal therapy that needs to be done with the owner and the CEO to make sure that you’re a good fit. And I think that’s across the board. That’s at home too. Marriage is aligned. Children are OK. Physical health is good.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (28:32.777)
huh.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (28:56.78)
Finances are good. Any trust issues you have with other people, those things need to be close to resolved before you start hiring other people because it’s just going to resurface. Growth doesn’t mean all problems go away. You just open yourself up to new problems that are different. So healthy CEOs create healthy practices.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (29:16.992)
That is great. Yes. All of all of that thank you and like I know like I said all of that is like a whole process that I know you work with individuals on. It’s not really something that can be condensed but you did a great job to at least give us some high level understanding of the fact that first of all slow down because I even as I asked you I even felt within myself like looking for the first nugget and you’re like prayer.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (29:38.616)
Mm -hmm.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (29:46.948)
It’s like, know what, slow down while we’re looking for our words. It’s like the source, right? So slow down there and then something you touched on when you were talking about if there are things that you have that are unresolved within yourself, you gotta get them resolved because they will bleed out into your business. And making sure also that goes back to that balance is so key.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (29:47.359)
Mm -hmm.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (29:52.504)
Yeah

Mm -hmm.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (30:09.294)
Yes.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (30:16.812)
It’s not so much of the business that you’re neglecting. The other gifts that the father has given you, like your spouse or your children or family or friends or whatever. those.

and so many other things that you just now mentioned that are very key and I think very helpful for us. You know, hopefully as people are listening, they’re writing this down because these are things to really reflect on as you are starting new, even if you have a practice already. Just as you are saying, you know what, I’m going to do a new thing. Look, we’re in the middle of 2024. Before you know it, we will be saying happy

here. You know, so looking at how do I get started better aligned, better aligned with with my beliefs, my faith. Yeah, that’s that’s wonderful.

I know that we are at the end of our time together but please if you can do this thank you so much for all this wonderful information that you have shared. Now please tell us how can we find you? I know you have a website, I know you’re on Facebook, you’re on I think other social media, Instagram, please anything that you want to share, any new things you have coming up, tell us where we can find you and what you have going on.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (31:28.984)
Yeah, so we have all social media platforms. It is at Kamisha Brewer. You can subscribe to the CEO Clinician Podcast. You can grab a copy of the book. Camille, I’m sending you a copy of the book. We have the newsletter where you get new podcast episodes delivered to your inbox. We’ve got a Facebook group, the CEO Clinician Community. So the best way to get access to all the resources is cbrewerconsulting .com slash start.

Camille McDaniel, LPC (31:54.72)
Thank you so much. Kamisha has some really good information. I actually have listened to several of her podcast episodes. They are of depth and she has like a lot of great information as well on her website to get started. So yes, please find her there because it is about community and you can count Kamisha as one of the people in your community now and we can’t do this by ourselves. Matter of fact, that’s one of the things that I said when I reached out to Kamisha. I’m like, look,

I have some things that, you know, have been on my heart, but I am not the one to do it all by myself. you know, and Kamisha was referred to us by another individual

as a person of faith. So yeah, we wanna just make sure that when you come across really great individuals and great resources that we write this down because we need community to move forward. So thank you so much, Kanisha, for joining us today, sharing all the good information. We are so blessed by it. Thank you so much.

Cameisha Brewer Dickerson Ed.S ,LPC (32:58.712)
Thank

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